Posts by Brother Apostate

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

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friends

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

hillary_step,

It is, again, you who has missed the point.

Brother Apostate,
Re-read my posts - everything will make sense if you actually STOP and THINK about what I have written. You do not seem to have any idea of what you are doing on this thread. What are you doing here?
For example, you stated this :
At least for those who want to push the agenda that manmade sources are a major source, which, according to all currently available data, it's not.
Now, PROVIDE EVIDENCE for this viewpoint for Abbadon to rebut. Get it? THAT is how it works.

= Translation of above: hillary_step is a child who knows everything, why won’t you play by hillary_step's rules? Mommy, they won’t play by my rules, waaaaaaa!!!

My replies to that have already been posted:

You could claim that mankind causes the majority of variance on the perceived rings of Saturn, if you wish, but then the onus is on you to post your sources that led you to a seemingly irrational conclusion.=BA

If they made the claim that gamma rays from the planet Mergatroid were causing global warming, would it really be necessary to refute it? It is they who are making the hysterical claim that humans are the source of global warming, and yet I haven’t seen anything yet that either of the children has posted that would lead to that conclusion.-BA

It is the one making outrageous claims to prove their point.

BA- You made a straw man, I burned it. BA doesn’t "debate" with children, and knows a child when he sees one.

PS- Don't tell me how to "debate" by your "rules", child.

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

Dear Hillary,

You are being evasive and obtuse. Here are the threads I referred to:

hillary_step Re: Global Warming Hysteria
Post 6447 of 6455
since 13-Apr-01

Brother Apostate,
You seem to have missed the point. I will quote you again :
At least for those who want to push the agenda that manmade sources are a major source, which, according to all currently available data, it's not.
The onus is on those who want to convince the world that there is a significant manmade contribution to global warming to cite sources!
You have made a bold claim. You have stated that ALL currently available scientific data indicates that manmade sources are not a major source of climate change. You are obviously aware that a large part of the world scientific commiunity disagree with you, and have presented their evidence as to why they take this stand - from their point of view thay HAVE proved this scientifically. The evidence is not a mystery, but peppered all over the Internet, scientific journals, peer reviewed papers, for all, including yourself, to research.
Now, what you need to do is to provide peer reviewed rebuttal evidence as to why, you, contrary to the majority of the scientific community disagree with them.
Please continue to note, that I have not expressed my own point of view as yet. I am just teaching you how to properly debate outside of the boundaries taught to you in 'Watching The World'. So, put up or shut up. That is all Abbadon is asking for you and your camp to do.
Present the science to evidence your views, as have those who adhere to the 'global warming' scenario.
HS

As I already pointed out in my response, what you attempted to do was build a straw man of my statement, when what I stated was:

At least for those who want to push the agenda that manmade sources are a major source, which, according to all currently available data, it's not.

As I made clear, if you have verifiable evidence to the contrary, post it.

Now, you state that you have no evidence the contrary.

Now, what you need to do is to provide peer reviewed rebuttal evidence as to why, you, contrary to the majority of the scientific community disagree with them.

You again make the statement you have evidence that the "majority of the scientific community" has convincing data that the majority of global warming is caused by human sources, yet, again, you do not present any evidence to support that empty claim.

Then, you posted this:

Brother Apostae,
You have shown you hand, it is you who bears the burden of proof.-BA
This has been provided, not by myself, but by the majority of the scientific community as I have previously stated.-HS

Again, empty claim, no no evidence.

You are clearly not getting it. If you have credible proof that more than a few percent of Global Warming can be attributed to human sources- post it. It is up to the folks pushing the sky is falling agenda to prove it.- BA

I will just lay this down very, very simply for them. The subject of the debate of this thread was NOT raised by the PRO-Global Warming candidates, it was made by the ANTI Global- Warming candidates, hence the title of the thread : 'Global Warming Hysteria'.-HS

Again, you show ignorance of the subject matter, as it's not "anti" and "pro", but how much global warming is caused by human activities. But, to add insult to injury, you clearly imply that you are on the side of the "humans cause a great percentage global warming", or as I prefer to call it "sky is falling" camp.

None of the 'global warming hysteria' contributors who have laid down the challenge on this thread have provided any scientific evidence that indicates that mankind’s input into the global warming scenario is actually negligible, and it is their responsibility to do so in order for the challenge raised by this thread to be taken seriously, as it should.-HS

My replies to that have already been posted:

You could claim that mankind causes the majority of variance on the perceived rings of Saturn, if you wish, but then the onus is on you to post your sources that led you to a seemingly irrational conclusion.=BA

If they made the claim that gamma rays from the planet Mergatroid were causing global warming, would it really be necessary to refute it? It is they who are making the hysterical claim that humans are the source of global warming, and yet I haven’t seen anything yet that either of the children has posted that would lead to that conclusion.-BA

It is the one making outrageous claims to prove their point.

Now you "expose" that you supposedly believed all along with the rational view that there is no convincing evidence that human sources cause a significant portion of global warming.

hillary_step, stop the game playing.

BA- Exposing game players, hypocrites and schizophrenics.

PS- Make your mind up and quit playing games, child

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

Dear hillary_step,

What is astonishing, and I have found this a common issue when debating with XJW's, is that many take a strong, determined and agressive stance on an issue that they are incapable of backing with facts, or even a logical argument.

What a whopper! Here it is you who has taken a stance that you now say you didn’t, asking me and others to post facts that you now say you were in agreement with all along. How is that not schizophrenic, disingenuous or just game-playing? Just as I stated above, you are a time waster and a game player.

I am convinced it is a hang-over from JW days, when our automatic assumption when people disagreed with us as we went from door to door was that they were wrong by default.

Congratulations, you have diagnosed your own problem rather well.

Just as an experiment, try thinking of 'Brother Apostate' taking the door, and 'elderwho' his quieter partner giggling evry so often ( not his turn to take the call! ) running through the days sermon and HS disagreeing with them. I think it makes an ironic picture.

The only thing ironic about the picture you paint is that you are speaking about all of us xJWs, including yourself, if you were capable of intellectual honesty. Simply substitute “Abaddon” and “hillary_step”, ironic, huh? Go look it up in a dictionary.

I suspect they are both quite newly released from the clutches of the WTS.

Once again, if you believe it, it must be true. Make up a false hypothesis, then buy it. Tsk, tsk, some people would rather just read their own press releases, how sad.

BA- Saw a bug and squashed it.

PS- See a therapist.

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

hillary_step,

Exhibit A: Witness the latest tripe by both of them.

If you had actually read what I have wriiten above, you would have noted that my position on the matter is in agreement with your own!!! This is clear evidence that you do not even bother to read posts before you hit your keyboard and run off at the mouth, a typical reaction of a person who posts in a flurry of injured emotion. That is why your posts are totally devoid of content and why you are incapable of understanding even the basics of the process of debate.

I did note your schizophrenic reversal on the issue. The fact remains, you jumped on this thread, exactly why? To suggest that you are part of the sky-is-falling crowd, only to later show what you now say you believed all along.

What kind of a twisted game is that?

If you side with the sky-is falling crowd, say so.

If you side with the rational crowd that knows there is (as of yet at least) insufficient research to adopt a view that humans are responsible for global warming, then say so from the beginning.

I have straightforwardly stated my beliefs, you have been schizophrenic in stating yours.

Are we to believe your previous posts or your latest ones?

Or will you jump back and forth between those alternate views?

Sheesh, what a child-like game you play.

BA- Calls 'em as he sees 'em

PS- heres a rose,which by any other name smells as sweet.

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Does this amaze you or am I the only one????

by avidbiblereader in

jw
friends

i will try to make this brief but how can you abbreviate love and kindness?

this is truly amazing!!!!

as many you have seen i ran into a small glitch on the forum the last couple of threads, without going into detail and really not necessary as there have been plenty of comments and views on both threads, i was willing to walk away from the forum because this is my nature as paul said in .

Brother Apostate

Abr,

No, it doesn’t amaze me that a cult that follows men rather than God shows no real love towards their members, family, friends, or those outside.

They simply teach hatred and call it love.

They ignore Paul's words in 1 Cor 13:

1 If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing. 3 If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it;[a] but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.

4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. 6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

8 Prophecy and speaking in unknown languages[b] and special knowledge will become useless. But love will last forever! 9 Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture! 10 But when full understanding comes, these partial things will become useless.

11 When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things. 12 Now we see things imperfectly as in a cloudy mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity.[c] All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.

13 Three things will last forever—faith, hope, and love—and the greatest of these is love.

Just as a rose by any other name smells as sweet,

You can paint crap gold but it’s still crap.

BA- Hates the sin, not the sinner.

PS- Thick skin is a prerequisite to posting on a public forum, methinks.

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

Frank45,

Thanks for putting that information up. I’ve observed that many, including myself, have done similarly numerous times and have learned from the experience. What have I learned?

I won’t waste my time with children like Abaddon and his cheerleader hillary, except to point out where their arguments are fatally flawed by fallacy and a fanatical devotion to their belief that they are always right. Worse yet, they’ll tempt you to post hundreds or thousands of data points, only so that they can tempt you to post hundreds or thousands more data points, only so that they can tempt you to post hundreds or thousands more data points, only so that they can tempt you to post hundreds or thousands more data points, etc. Each time, they’ll call your sources <insert insult here>, they’ll never actually read what you posted, but instead, pick a few sentences out, highlight them, and keep you busy wasting your time. It’s just a childish game to the children on JWD.

Exhibit A: Witness the latest tripe by both of them.

If they made the claim that gamma rays from the planet Mergatroid were causing global warming, would it really be necessary to refute it? It is they who are making the hysterical claim that humans are the source of global warming, and yet I haven’t seen anything yet that either of the children has posted that would lead to that conclusion.

And even if a few of the others don’t get it, because they don’t research anything, but instead have their eyes gloss over when it takes more commitment to reading comprehension than a sound-bite demands, I suppose there’s always hope.

So, here’s to your time spent trying your best to educate ‘em!

Best Wishes and Good Luck,
Brother Apostate

P.S. Obviously, if they were really interested, they would have Googled this information, read it already, and know that their postion is untenable.

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

Hillary,

You are clearly not getting it.

If you have credible proof that more than a few percent of Global Warming can be attributed to human sources- post it.

It is up to the folks pushing the sky is falling agenda to prove it.

If you continue your disrespectful comments, there will be no "debate" as I don't debate with children.

BA- That's rational minds 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, sky is falling crowd 0

P.S- you aren't really Abbadon, are you? Are you two bunkmates? Methinks there is a great probabilty.

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

HS,

I have a feeling that political affiliations play too much of a part on either side of the camp, and that this clouds the issue. The inability for most posters to present pertinent evidence apart from 'LOL...I agree' and such facile comments, speaks for itself.

Speak for yourself. I remain unafilliated. BA- Laughing at the "political affiliation" comment, as if Hillary can read minds.

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

Hillary,

It is you who has missed the point.

You could claim that mankind causes the majority of variance on the perceived rings of Saturn, if you wish, but then the onus is on you to post your sources that led you to a seemingly irrational conclusion.

You have made a bold claim. You have stated that ALL currently available scientific data indicates that manmade sources are not a major source of climate change. You are obviously aware that a large part of the world scientific commiunity disagree with you, and have presented their evidence as to why they take this stand - from their point of view thay HAVE proved this scientifically. The evidence is not a mystery, but peppered all over the Internet, scientific journals, peer reviewed papers, for all, including yourself, to research.

So, putting words in my mouth, are we? Go re-read what I stated, no such thing. It is you making the bold claim. What a ridiculous straw man! What, do you "sky is falling" types all march in lock-step? Still have the old JW robot thing going on?

The majority of the scientific community disagrees with you.

Please continue to note, that I have not expressed my own point of view as yet.

Ooh, ooh I'm holding my breath until you do!!!

I am just teaching you how to properly debate outside of the boundaries taught to you in 'Watching The World'. So, put up or shut up. That is all Abbadon is asking for you and your camp to do.

Listen, ~~Richard Cranium~~ Hillary, I need no lessons from children on "debate". You have shown your hand, it is you who bears the burden of proof.

BA- heard a gnat, but swatted it.

PS- What is it that makes the sky is falling crowd so arrogant and pompous?

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The "Stupid Jokes" Thread

by Warlock in

here is my stupid joke: why did cinnimon roll?

because he saw apple turnover.. thank you, jim of tx for giving me the idea.. warlock .

Brother Apostate

A first-grade teacher, Ms. Brooks, was having trouble with one of her students. The teacher asked, "Harry, what's your problem?"

Harry answered, "I'm too smart for the 1st grade. My sister is in the 3rd grade and I'm smarter than she is! I think I should be in the 3rd grade too!"

Ms. Brooks had enough. She took Harry to the principal's office.

While Harry waited in the outer office, the teacher explained to the principal what the situation was. The principal told Ms. Brooks he would give the boy a test. If he failed to answer any of his questions he was to go back to the 1st grade and behave. She agreed.

Harry was brought in and the conditions were explained to him and he agreed to take the test.

Principal: "What is 3 x 3?"

Harry: "9."

Principal: "What is 6 x 6?"

Harry: "36."

And so it went with every question the principal thought a 3rd grader should know.

The principal looks at Ms. Brooks and tells her, "I think Harry can go to the 3rd grade."

Ms. Brooks says to the principal, " Let me ask him some questions."

The principal and Harry both agreed.

Ms. Brooks asks, "What does a cow have four of that I have only two of?"

Harry, after a moment: "Legs."

Ms. Brooks: "What is in your pants that you have but I do not have?"

The principal wondered why would she ask such a question!

Harry replied: "Pockets."

Ms. Brooks: "What does a dog do that a man steps into?"

Harry: "Pants."

Ms Brooks: What starts with a C, ends with a T, is hairy, oval, delicious and contains thin, whitish liquid?"

Harry: "Coc onut."

The principal sat forward with his mouth hanging open.

Ms. Brooks: "What goes in hard and pink then comes out soft and sticky?"

The principal's eyes opened really wide and before he could stop the answer, Harry replied, "Bubble gum."

Ms. Brooks: "What does a man do standing up, a woman does sitting down and a dog does on three legs?"

Harry: "Shake hands."

The principal was trembling.

Ms. Brooks: "What word starts with an 'F' and ends in 'K' that means a lot of heat and excitement?"

Harry: "Firetruck."

The principal breathed a sigh of relief and told the teacher, "Put Harry in the fifth-grade, I got the last seven questions wrong...... "